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there's a whole fleet of of look on the

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it's your breakdown for early

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february 2022

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joining me as always we've got dan how

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are we doing today

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i am great thank you very much uh we

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we've got a lot to talk about lots

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happening we have daniel looking sharp

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on your on your screen there literally

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the camera's better the camera is

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literally better because you've got your

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new macbook so

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no longer is there going to be steam

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coming off as you spend 12 weeks

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rendering a youtube video no hopefully i

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mean i'll be paying off for a while yeah

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it'll it'll pay for itself over time we

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content for people especially with the

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columbia trip so it's uh it's great to

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have uh to help me with that

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yeah uh so that that's a must-have and i

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upgraded the pc i posted that on the

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patreon so anyone who does support the

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podcast thank you because you've helped

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us do that and i've upgraded the pc so

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and pieces myself as well

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it does make a big big difference to

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all that but yes thank you to everyone

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that supported and everything else a lot

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to get through uh and the the show we've

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got today dan so chris mellon's article

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has just dropped on the debrief.org why

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is the air force a wall on the uap issue

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we're going to start off with that we're

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then going to look at jim's semivans

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appearance on coast to coast this past

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weekend and a lot of cool nuggets of

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for the bucket list this year um we're

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that's not going away we're then going

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to finish with one of your now famous

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stan as i'm calling it no one else james

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webb telescope updates um because you'll

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that's happening that'll be a short but

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sweet uh segment uh we'll then tell you

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about a uk ufo report you can get

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through our friends at ufo identify dot

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co dot uk and then what's to come with

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the rest of the podcast as well but dan

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let's get right into it so

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a little unexpectedly chris melon former

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pretty damning um article in terms of

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to call out but he does it in a pretty

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incredible fashion as we record the

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that'll be released it'll be up early

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our attention and i feel like chris you

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new office report comes out um they've

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organizations that aren't playing ball

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unclassified stuff that he can talk

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scrambled folks apologies but all of

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that it wasn't their favor saw attic

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attack they chased it bang grave saw it

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where are the air force just watching

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where are they ignoring

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as just pure speculation at this point

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but what the air force doing when they

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sitting off the coast of that nuclear

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anything in that situation is insane

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those things to keep those airspaces

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it you know the pilots have

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about and things like that um

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so for them to just not report anything

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known location of the uss princeton's

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um was not only said to by the personnel

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on the ships to be taken by

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air force officers but also that it was

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last reportedly in langley air force

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base so it certainly seems they're

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corralling all this data the question is

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whether they know everything and they're

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keeping it from us or they know nothing

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and they don't want to look incompetent

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a lot of these organizations don't like

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saying i don't know so i think that the

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truth usually is kind of somewhere in

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between those extremes right so yeah do

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you know what it reeks like to me to try

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and use an analogy here that people i

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hope i make this clear

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imagine dan you are working your way up

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as a hotshot lawyer and you're doing

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pretty well you're on one of the the

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upper tiers of your pay grade okay and

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the the bosses of

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dan andy and cole

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are dan and andy okay

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and you know that within the institute

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they they're doing some dodgy things

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dodgy practices um

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they are there's institutional bullying

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you know all that kind of stuff goes on

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but they are the main guys you can't

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touch them they're untouchable and for

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you to speak out and do anything

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is just going to be detrimental to you

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i feel the air force see these uap as

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there's nothing we can do about these

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things

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and to acknowledge the existence and try

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and do anything is just going to make us

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look weak and be detrimental to us so

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the best thing for us to do is turn a

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blind eye and just get on with what we

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do and anything we can do we use it to

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our advantage and i feel that sort of

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the way the air force are acting and all

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of this that they're turning a blind eye

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because there's nothing we can actually

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do about what's going on you know we

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can't match what these things can do so

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let's just let's just leave it and do

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our own thing in the background is that

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is that fair

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i'd say so and you know this whole time

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those officers they're gonna have

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other stresses you know uh whether it's

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china whether it's russia whether you

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know there's a lot going on in the world

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that they're gonna be focused on uh

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looking right now we've got ukraine and

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russia on the borders exactly

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the ufo issue

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there's other stuff real time going on

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that's what we have had a report um

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that off the coast of scotland there was

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an unidentified aircraft and everyone

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jumped on it as a uap and then when you

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read the article it turned out it was a

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russian thing um or russian

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a shipment of ein brewer coming in

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but but i thought that was a really good

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example because that spread all over the

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news like wildfire and we knew it was

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russian so if there are no flags on

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these things why isn't why aren't all of

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these uh events spreading over the news

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in similar ways

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yeah dan i'm going to ask you a question

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here can you think let's be fair to the

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us air force for a minute and give them

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uh

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a moment that we're going to be positive

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about them potentially can you think of

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a good reason why the us air force's

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right to behave the way they are on the

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subject why why could they be holding

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back

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i'm i'm gonna

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i'd recommend people listen to our tom

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delong profile show because i feel like

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the answer could be in that kind of good

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plug musings yeah um

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but the idea that this is such a

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paradigm shift that you know lou said

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about the word samba that's that's how

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much it would cause people to reflect

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tom has been terrified and he's talked

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about that story of you know not knowing

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if reality was reality to him anymore um

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and there's also law that kind of says

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you know we're on a

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there was a deal signed and this is kind

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of the more extreme side of things now

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but there was deal signed between

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eisenhower and the visitors and you know

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we kind of have uh essentially a

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countdown and a mortgage right so i i

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could see a scenario where maybe

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i'll also mention the hitchhiker effect

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because that seems to stick to people

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that experience the phenomena so if you

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kind of open the floodgates and go

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everyone this is real and you can

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experience these things suddenly you've

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got a whole planet full of people

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experiencing hitchhiker effects and no

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answers for them

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that's kind of scary and if that's the

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situation i can see you know i can

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empathize with that um you know maybe

394
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maybe revealing the secret makes things

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worse and they had to be ready um but

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they're not playing ball now that we've

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gotten to the point where we can talk

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about it so

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i i wonder if that's even close you know

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yeah chris milling goes on to say i have

401
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a theory about which i would like to be

402
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wrong that the air force is so

403
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accustomed to a lack of civilian

404
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oversight on uap issues that it hardly

405
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takes such oversight seriously perhaps

406
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civilian policymakers are also so

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accustomed to blanket us air force

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denials regarding uap that they don't

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think to challenge the air force any

410
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longer that's pretty incredible claim

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but i don't think it's necessarily

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that shocking that the air force is that

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you know i'm trying to think of all

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those teenage movies i've watched the

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college quarterback that even the school

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teachers are scared to do anything about

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because they're so important they're so

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big they're so powerful they're so

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popular

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and you're better just to let them kind

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of do what they want because it's not

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really worth your time and hassle

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pulling them up

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in in those movies the quarterback

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always gets in trouble and they always

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get involved in the end so you know if

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there happens to be anyone from the us

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air force listening please just join the

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conversation

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00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,399
no no one will be mad you know it'll be

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a constructive conversation

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00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:04,639
yeah and in that article again i i would

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encourage people to go and read it i

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know from from speaking to a few people

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that chris melon has been working on

436
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this for a few months it's not something

437
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he he wrote out overnight and when he

438
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was bored he's a he's a busy man and a

439
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lot of thought has gone into it there

440
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are a lot of hyperlinks explaining

441
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various different things as well and

442
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it's got a fantastic amount of knowledge

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within there so

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i suggest people do questions too um

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yeah which i actually emailed over to

446
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susan goff um because i figured you know

447
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what the hell she'd be great to ask

448
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,560
these questions too so if i get anything

449
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back i'll share that on social media and

450
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on here

451
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if you've got a favorite question then

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here's here's a good one for you there's

453
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14 isn't there uh questions

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yeah

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the questions within the questions as

456
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well actually yeah like for me they're

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all important i'm not gonna pick one

458
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just just because

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they all kind of piggyback on off each

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other right and and they're all

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addressing things that chris has brought

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up in the article um so if anyone gets

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any answers to any of these from the air

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force or from susan goff um

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it'll be very very informative dan i've

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got a favorite question what's your

467
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favorite question it's really sassy

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question six is there a problem with the

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f-22 sensor system if not how is it

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possible that navy fighters with

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inferior sensors were routinely

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detecting uap off the east coast of the

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us for years while u.s air force f-22s

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operating in the same training areas did

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not if it was simply a matter of air

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force pilots fear of retribution what

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does that tell us about the air force

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culture and what you're going to do

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going forward to encourage rather than

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punish openness and vigilance that comes

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from a place of knowledge that i think

482
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many of us are at now where we know

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that people are scared to come forward

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still maybe it's less so in the navy

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with the procedures and protocols put in

486
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place after the task force report but it

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looks like chris mellon's calling out

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that well we know there won't be a

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problem with that sensor system you just

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have pilots too scared to come forward

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and you need to fix it that's what i

492
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read into that one so i love the tone

493
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this this isn't one of those articles

494
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it's not a blog it's not chris melon

495
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sharing his thoughts this is there for

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people to read and i don't mean as i

497
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think we've said this before haven't we

498
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that in some of chris melon's blog posts

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they're not there for us to read they

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are aimed at a section of people he

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knows are paying attention

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and he knows our reading knows and i

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feel this is exactly the same

504
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yeah definitely i completely agree with

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that um

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chris knows the

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the big movers and shakers in this uh

508
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would be the phrase i guess and yeah the

509
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the language is very much aimed at

510
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affecting or maybe

511
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you know bringing certain points to the

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the conversation between those people

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yeah so go and check that out folks the

514
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link will be in the description of this

515
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podcast if i remember it will be it will

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um but yeah really really interesting

517
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article from chris melon love to hear

518
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people's thoughts on that one online via

519
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,080
email ufo uap am gmail.com or any other

520
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:02,000
way you can get in touch with us

521
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:03,440
dan you're going to take the lead on the

522
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next one we're going to look at jim

523
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semivan and his appearance on coast to

524
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coast over the weekend yeah yeah

525
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absolutely so

526
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jim semivan went on to kind of open up

527
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about all things ttsa um and you know

528
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how we met tom um where this

529
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conversation is going i'd highly

530
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recommend people go listen to it but

531
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i'll just hit on a few highlights for

532
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you here can i just say i forget he's a

533
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co-founder of ttsa this was one of the

534
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things i was going to remind people of

535
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because he he shared a story that i'm

536
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,840
not sure has been fully shared before

537
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but he he basically said that him and

538
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tom got involved because

539
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uh jim read secret machines um and heard

540
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,080
some what tom was saying and thought oh

541
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,240
god you know this guy's clearly informed

542
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um i'm gonna go talk to him so

543
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they they had a conversation and tom

544
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proposed the idea of

545
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jim joining the company and jim said no

546
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he wasn't interested he was interested

547
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in researching the phenomena not the

548
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,400
entertainment side of things um and that

549
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was when uh basically at that table were

550
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,880
a number of people uh the gym didn't

551
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,200
share the names of but hal was there and

552
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,799
that was where on the back of a napkin

553
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:10,320
they kind of sketched out the plan for

554
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:13,840
ttsa um and it was formed there and then

555
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,120
um it wasn't long after that that um

556
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,679
jim apparently put tom in touch with lou

557
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,320
and they had a call and then uh yeah he

558
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,799
he got a message like midnight 1am uh

559
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:26,880
from tom saying basically yeah i've i've

560
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,200
employed lou he's he's joined us now

561
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,720
um i i thought that was a real

562
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,840
interesting little tidbit in the

563
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:33,840
timeline it kind of clears up one of the

564
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,160
gaps i had in my uh in my notes for tom

565
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,200
delong part two profile um

566
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,799
but yeah i thought that was interesting

567
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,120
because people have

568
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,400
wondered if lou was involved earlier and

569
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,919
before he resigned and it just doesn't

570
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,000
seem to be the case you know it's no

571
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,919
conspiracy there it's just well that's

572
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,000
something we talk about don't mate on on

573
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,600
tom de long part one for people who

574
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,360
haven't checked out yet as you know

575
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,360
there's so much of of what tom says on

576
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,039
early interviews on jimmy church and

577
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,120
shows like that where it's a source i

578
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,720
had and i was banging on the doors and

579
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,880
you've got to and you were wondering was

580
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:08,559
lou one of those doors and it doesn't

581
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,600
seem like he was like yeah blue came on

582
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,600
at the time it kind of looks like he did

583
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,799
and there was nothing

584
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,559
untoward or sinister going on in the

585
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,159
background at all

586
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,480
absolutely and it speaks to what we said

587
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,159
as well where

588
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,799
tt says we know it now was the plan b

589
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,640
plan a went away when wiki wikileaks

590
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:28,080
happened and all those names came out

591
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,039
and

592
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:32,000
he only found out tom's advisors

593
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,200
because of

594
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,600
wikileaks weeks

595
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:37,840
that's dan's new website

596
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,480
yep get your lucky week's hat

597
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,760
and that's the kind of stuff we're going

598
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,080
into in detail in part two of the tom de

599
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:45,760
long discussion because that will

600
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,039
basically be the ttsa kicking off the

601
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:50,960
the a team the b team that we got to

602
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,240
know as the a team yeah and then those

603
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,320
couple of years of ttsa with

604
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,159
unidentified and all that kind of stuff

605
00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:00,159
so we're going to go into that in detail

606
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,840
something i was really interested in

607
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,200
again and i know this has came out

608
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,000
before but the fact that jim semivan and

609
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,480
as he says his wife are experiencers

610
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,799
yeah this is a pretty heavy hitting guy

611
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,320
to come out and say

612
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,400
i've i've had these experiences he talks

613
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,840
about the

614
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,480
going to a ufo conference yeah i'm just

615
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,080
double checking what i had talked about

616
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,840
going to ufo conference in virginia

617
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,320
beach and he tells a gentleman about the

618
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:27,120
experience he had and basically they was

619
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:29,039
told you have a classic classic they

620
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,400
don't see abduction experience but

621
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,720
classic experience and he wrote down a

622
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,559
few of jacques ville's books

623
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,960
for him to read and that started his

624
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,480
journey into

625
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,240
yeah you've had this experience and

626
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,919
here's here's a little bit of how to

627
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,400
make sense of it i suppose yeah and and

628
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,000
it wasn't jim and his wife's only

629
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,159
experience as well he he says that in

630
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,480
2018 uh they had a

631
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,440
hooded

632
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,200
figure visiting in his bedroom he said

633
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:55,760
it looked like a mini death eater um and

634
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,120
after reporting it uh he was told to

635
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,120
kind of try and make contact and in this

636
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,480
interview he says like there's no way

637
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,679
he's gonna try and make contact with

638
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,960
something that looks like that which i

639
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,240
think is fair enough um

640
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,760
but yeah not not

641
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,559
the one event many events and he

642
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,320
specifies that he and his wife are still

643
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,400
being studied and that's why yeah talk

644
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:18,880
about these things in depth um

645
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,440
which you know there are only certain

646
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,679
avenues that that can study this stuff

647
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,559
so i'd be curious to hear who is who is

648
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,760
studying him you know i wonder if

649
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,679
there's an mri involved

650
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,200
and you know what as well i think this

651
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,360
is one of those where and we know people

652
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,640
on social media particularly um he won't

653
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,520
mind me saying it because i've

654
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,720
interviewed him in the interviews out

655
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,600
there

656
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,640
john davies who was you know classically

657
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,640
annoyed at lack of representation for

658
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,919
experiencers

659
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,600
here's a a pretty

660
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,440
well respected

661
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,080
credible heavyweight individual not just

662
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,000
in terms of ufos but in his positions

663
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,600
that he's worked in and the people he's

664
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,799
worked with

665
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,559
and he's calling out that i'm an

666
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,400
experiencer i've had multiple

667
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,720
experiences like you see in this we're

668
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,799
still being studied now we've had

669
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,480
experiences as recently as a couple of

670
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,679
years ago

671
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,840
and yeah so this this is what you're

672
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,320
going to get i mean there's not too much

673
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,760
higher you can go before you start

674
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,000
getting the presidential levels of yeah

675
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,440
you need you need the presidents to come

676
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,880
out and say they've been abducted or had

677
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:20,480
experiences and you're not going to get

678
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:21,200
that

679
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,240
conversation is moving forward and

680
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,840
people can correct me and please get in

681
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,600
touch but where are these same

682
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,480
individuals coming out at this rate

683
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,240
back in the 90s and the 80s and the 70s

684
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,240
making these claims on these kind of

685
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,760
grand stages of course there was no

686
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,520
social media but

687
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,480
this is this for me is a massive

688
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
step forward especially for experiencers

689
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,760
although i can't talk as an experiencer

690
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,520
i can appreciate how frustrating that

691
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,760
must be but these are people kind of

692
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,279
hopefully putting that word out there

693
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,440
and moving that conversation forward

694
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,039
yeah yeah absolutely and people will be

695
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,039
glad to know that uh jim specifies that

696
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,120
they're still gonna be doing the science

697
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,279
stuff and the crota but they're just

698
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,640
focusing on entertainment for now

699
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:08,880
because of cash flow there's no timeline

700
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,679
but when the funding comes

701
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,360
to the stars academy of arts and science

702
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,799
which is now called to the stars inc

703
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,600
will go back on and do the science kind

704
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,720
of research with with the phenomena um

705
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,919
i think people thought that that was

706
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,640
going to stop uh when when ttsa

707
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,720
shuttered but it seems not to be the

708
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,039
case uh we also have news that the ccsa

709
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,559
podcast is going to be coming back as

710
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,200
well uh with perhaps peter lavender uh

711
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,799
which will be interesting because he he

712
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,600
writes the gods war and man books

713
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,159
which are you know not so fictional it's

714
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,840
kind of looking at the phenomena through

715
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,520
a historical lens bringing in some very

716
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,880
esoteric

717
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,880
areas of discussion as well

718
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,279
including dna so if if anyone is

719
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,880
interested in the dna discussion the

720
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,640
hybrid discussion have a read of the

721
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,080
second book of secret machines because

722
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,720
there's a lot in there for you

723
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,279
they also point to a few names quite

724
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,679
prevalent uh dr colm kelleher has

725
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,840
discussed of course he's just done an

726
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,919
interview with katja mongol along with

727
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,080
george knapp on theories of everything

728
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,760
check that out folks is available now on

729
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,200
youtube same with our interview with

730
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,440
them from a couple of months ago um also

731
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,520
john ramirez is brought up and and jim

732
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,600
semivan backs up john ramirez's

733
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:21,279
credentials but also what he says

734
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,400
doesn't he

735
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:25,600
to be specific he backs up um yeah is

736
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,520
his credentials and the foia direction

737
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,840
yeah sorry john gave so not to give

738
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:33,200
anyone the impression that he backs up

739
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,640
that they were reptilians and stuff like

740
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,919
that um but yeah that that is he he says

741
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,600
to listen to john and that he gives out

742
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,679
good advice when when it's

743
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,720
uh

744
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,320
the the harder stuff you know not the

745
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,440
speculation

746
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,840
to be fair i asked john as we record

747
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,520
this part one's been released part two

748
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,600
is coming out this monday

749
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,200
that you know there's that you've got to

750
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,360
differentiate between opinion

751
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,840
and knowledge and i think john was quite

752
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,840
fair and his response is that throughout

753
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,360
that interview including in part two

754
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,799
that people hear

755
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,880
this is what i think

756
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,279
based on my own experiences

757
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,720
and

758
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,320
there's probably more of that within

759
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
john's conversations than

760
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,720
here's what i know because of when i

761
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,720
worked and those conversations so i

762
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,919
think

763
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,440
it probably leans quite heavy towards

764
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,840
john's own experiences and opinion but

765
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,279
he's got a platform because of his

766
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:26,080
background which yeah to be fair is the

767
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,120
same for

768
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,120
jim semivan and because

769
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,720
jim simovan coming out and telling us

770
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,960
he's an experiencer is one thing but jim

771
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,600
semivan with a 25-plus year cia career

772
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
behind him is another and that's that's

773
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,400
just how it works isn't it

774
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,640
and distinguished cia careers as well

775
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,320
you know these guys just weren't you

776
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,360
know

777
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,840
filing or anything uh they were fully

778
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,840
you know sleeve rolled up mugging in

779
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,880
doing intelligence work um

780
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,240
so there's no wonder that they have a

781
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,400
lot of knowledge between them uh i i

782
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,919
would expect

783
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,440
you know a couple years back we only had

784
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,559
jim now we've got jim and john and i

785
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,559
would expect more people to start coming

786
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,240
out of the woodwork and discussing this

787
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,480
now uh because a lot of the younger

788
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,000
generation that are in these

789
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,200
organizations be the cia or politics

790
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,960
they see this as a really important

791
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,720
issue and the kind of the cat's out of

792
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,720
the bag and they're discussing it now so

793
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,240
even if the higher-ups want to keep it

794
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,840
secret tough

795
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,600
people are talking about it

796
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
and one of those people originally that

797
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,600
talked about it was bob lazar and bob

798
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,039
lazar's brought up of course it's a

799
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,640
george knapp interview with a big name

800
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,399
so if lazar's going to come up at some

801
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,880
point and that jim semivan

802
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,559
again says he sees nothing to say that

803
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,960
bob lazar's a liar he acknowledges he

804
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,440
could be lying but doesn't think so and

805
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,080
that um it makes sense and i've got the

806
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,320
note here it makes sense why they hired

807
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,720
him look at snowden this is a quote look

808
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,799
at snowden we hired him no college

809
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,559
degree but a very smart kid in my

810
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,640
opinion he's a traitor and they hired

811
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,039
him causes are a zen mind and when a

812
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,799
project gets stuck they bring in someone

813
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,720
completely different completely new to

814
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,520
give a new perspective and maybe someone

815
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,360
that had those personality flaws if you

816
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,520
want to call them of a bob lazar and

817
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,120
we've discussed this before including

818
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,799
with george knapp as the person you

819
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,960
bring in because there's that plausible

820
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:15,440
deniability yeah it's like bringing in

821
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,799
me to to be an expert on something that

822
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,520
you know he's flawed and the guy who has

823
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:23,200
silly little ufo podcast yeah but he

824
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,240
knows this

825
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,760
yeah but you know he's also the guy that

826
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,360
you go if he ever goes to the papers or

827
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,799
the press yeah so ufo nut andy mcgrillen

828
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,080
and that's how it would be positioned

829
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,600
but it doesn't mean i didn't do what i

830
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,679
was brought in to do and i think that's

831
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,679
that's the way bob lazar potentially

832
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,080
because i i've always said i still lean

833
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:42,000
much more towards lazar

834
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,679
telling the truth and a lot of that

835
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,360
story not all of it but a lot of it

836
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,960
being being correct and i would say

837
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,720
there's probably reasons

838
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,279
why why some of that isn't true

839
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,120
yeah yeah i i would agree i always

840
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,960
struggle with the bizarre thing that's a

841
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,760
unknown plate for me that just spins but

842
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,520
there's a lot there like you say the zen

843
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,799
mind thing bringing in someone with

844
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,480
plausible deniability you know he was a

845
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,760
larger than life character that was

846
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,679
showing off rocket cars in the local

847
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,760
paper you know you can that's the one

848
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,279
that you can easily write off and a

849
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,760
plausible deniability um

850
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,480
but

851
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,080
you know with with bob lazar we also

852
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,080
have like two pools of information that

853
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,080
he gave us we had the stuff that he says

854
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,559
he saw and experienced and worked on and

855
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,480
then we have the stuff where he was you

856
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,080
know poor in a room given a file and

857
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,919
that's all the zita reticuli stuff and

858
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,760
things like that so there could be a

859
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,520
little misinformation money in the

860
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,919
waters there for that plus and posable

861
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,320
deniability as well

862
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,640
dan anything else you want to add to

863
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,399
that one obviously this is something we

864
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,520
want people to go and check out

865
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,480
themselves

866
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,480
uh subscribe to coast to coast i'll

867
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,640
again give a shout out to joe margia who

868
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,640
does a wonderful job transcribing it's a

869
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,840
64 or 65 mega tweet thread that joe

870
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,840
murgia managed to to sit and give so if

871
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,039
you're just looking for those kind of

872
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,279
highlights then check that out as well

873
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,200
but certainly go and listen to the full

874
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,000
interview if you can um anything else

875
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,320
you want to add i think only uh bodies

876
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,799
and craft brought up and in response to

877
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,960
it semi-van kind of stutters and says

878
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,399
yeah he doesn't go in there

879
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,919
george jokingly says well that says a

880
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,000
lot anyway so thank you for that

881
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,880
did did cement not answer in a similar

882
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,559
way a similar question when he was on

883
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,640
with brian keating and tom delong

884
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,760
like

885
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,799
yeah gets that sort of awkward uh

886
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,799
not for me not not going there so which

887
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:27,200
which might mean nothing you know yes um

888
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,320
you've got to see it could mean

889
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,240
everything so yeah take tickets it

890
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:32,080
probably means he's seen the bodies in

891
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,360
the craft

892
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,720
he can't get him in his car boot right

893
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,799
that's yeah but there's probably good

894
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,000
reasons for these people to give the

895
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,159
answers to give so it's i think it's

896
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,960
we're so accustomed to to no comment or

897
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,880
i can't discuss that because of an nda

898
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:45,840
meaning

899
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,440
not always the case so it's he's not

900
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,520
giving an answer it's a known answer

901
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,679
yeah um just to touch on it again we

902
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,120
want people to go and watch it cut dry

903
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,279
mungo is a friend of ours now especially

904
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,799
from professional point of view he's

905
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,559
great to talk to and he's just had

906
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,240
george knapp and cole kelleher on

907
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,159
theories of everything um i've only

908
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,760
caught bits of it it was bad times with

909
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,480
the kids uh when it was on live so uh

910
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,080
you managed to make some notes on it dan

911
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,480
any particular points for you it's a

912
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,440
good job you didn't watch it with the

913
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,799
kids there might have been some stories

914
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,399
that were scary for them so yeah

915
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,559
probably call you know the dino beaver

916
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,640
isn't soft and cuddly to everyone the

917
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,159
the baby caught some of it but he's not

918
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,310
or he knows everything and can't

919
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,720
communicate it's one of the two

920
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,080
so there was a lot of conversation about

921
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,399
the hitchhiker effect and and that kind

922
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,240
of opened up a little bit uh you

923
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,840
mentioned jonathan davis earlier and i

924
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,600
saw that he was ecstatic in the chat

925
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,720
because um it was mentioned that black

926
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,360
helicopters showing up uh kind of could

927
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,080
be part of the hitchhiker effect and i

928
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,919
know there's a lot of discussion around

929
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,919
uap disguising themselves as different

930
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,440
objects be it commercial airliners

931
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,840
clouds black helicopters and and we

932
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,440
actually got some conversation about it

933
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,440
here um it's time coded so i recommend

934
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,600
people go listen to it but it was

935
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,840
very interesting to hear that multiple

936
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,440
people had experiences with black

937
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,120
helicopters passing overhead that were

938
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,760
unmarked you know it could be i think

939
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,919
you know we have the idea of the

940
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,360
phenomena being able to give us kind of

941
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,200
holograms and screen images in our heads

942
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:15,679
by manipulating our consciousness so

943
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,440
maybe that's it you know set in reacting

944
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,880
to people's expectations what they

945
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,480
expect to see overhead or making people

946
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,399
nervous it's uh it's very interesting i

947
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:26,000
i wouldn't like to say definitively what

948
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,039
it is but

949
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,480
i know it's in a lot of cases um i also

950
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:31,760
had the pleasure of having a question

951
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,440
asked i i asked uh colum and knapp

952
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,360
what uh what people

953
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,360
haven't spoken about from the books that

954
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,360
were really interesting

955
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,679
um nap answered by basically emphasizing

956
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,600
that this is probably osap was probably

957
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,840
the biggest study of the phenomena um in

958
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,919
history with the us government uh 22

959
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,600
million doesn't seem like a lot but it's

960
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,960
a lot more than we thought was button

961
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,480
being put into it which was a big fat

962
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,440
zero

963
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,480
it generated huge databases nothing else

964
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,480
like it in the world at the time

965
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,080
valet created created them and they were

966
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,240
going to be using ai to kind of sift

967
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,600
through them and we know that's where

968
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,840
the conversation's going now so it seems

969
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,880
they could have just found a doorstep

970
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,480
properly a while back right

971
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,679
yeah um

972
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,399
then column uh

973
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,480
emphasized that

974
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,120
the awsap awsap wasn't just about

975
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,600
skinwalker ranch it was a minority of

976
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,080
cases from skinwalker ranch uh they

977
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,279
brought forward 104 separate reports

978
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,440
that were submitted separately um and

979
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,760
only the minority was on skinwalker a

980
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,519
lot of them were based around different

981
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,760
places he brings up a few reports uh of

982
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,399
uh ufo experiences with black triangles

983
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,760
and things like that that were really

984
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,679
intriguing and he also emphasizes the

985
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,760
fact that they had to get three russian

986
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,399
translators to translate all the

987
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,159
material they got out of the soviet

988
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,120
union um for me i've never been big on

989
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,679
that stuff but it what what column said

990
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,919
kind of brought me around a bit on it um

991
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,600
and and they really went hard on it and

992
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,440
and they found a unit i don't know if i

993
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,120
i hadn't seen this before but unit 73790

994
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,720
uh was apparently

995
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,760
kind of the the di-55 or the a-tip of

996
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,159
the soviet union so have a gander if

997
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,119
people are interested in that um

998
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,119
one last thing because there's a lot

999
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,520
here um

1000
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,359
would be we've heard about axelrod in

1001
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,800
the book before

1002
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,040
but column points out here that he was

1003
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,040
the primary or considered the and this

1004
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,200
is the language he uses the primary

1005
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,520
infectee for the hitchhiker effect for

1006
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,079
those around him uh i thought that was a

1007
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,879
really heavy phrase he took it 2 000

1008
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,720
miles back home with him in virginia

1009
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,399
within a few weeks both his wife and son

1010
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,159
had experienced effects a few months

1011
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,720
later neighbors reported them and even

1012
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,560
school kids that his children went to

1013
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,320
school with were reporting strange

1014
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,679
creatures in the bedroom windows and

1015
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:48,879
outside their bedrooms and stuff i just

1016
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,720
get myself chills um so yeah it's uh

1017
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,079
there's a lot to to like in that

1018
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,359
interview and i thought it did a

1019
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,800
fantastic job

1020
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,320
yeah please go and check that out that's

1021
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,480
theories of everything on youtube you'll

1022
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,040
see they've just hit like 150 000

1023
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,119
subscribers and it's it's only going up

1024
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,440
so yeah oh i've got my again i've still

1025
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,880
got my theories of everything hoodie on

1026
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,119
i've been recording in this week um so

1027
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,960
yeah and one thing to say going nicely

1028
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,480
on to the next section is they do talk

1029
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,680
about havana syndrome

1030
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,240
can we do that in my segway but yeah i i

1031
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,040
always i'm always very good um havana

1032
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,280
syndrome is is something that it was

1033
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,200
picked up on and talked about in the

1034
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,960
last year and year and a half and it's

1035
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,320
never really gone away and the

1036
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
mainstream media seemed to pick up on it

1037
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,240
quite frequently as well yeah including

1038
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,400
some of the the big publications uh they

1039
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,960
write regular articles on it too and

1040
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,640
that's not to say it's necessarily

1041
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,599
always phenomenal phenomena rated um or

1042
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,920
related but um i spoke to tim mcmillan

1043
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,200
about this today and he gave a really

1044
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,040
interesting idea that

1045
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,640
he didn't necessarily go down the route

1046
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,920
and i won't spoil it i want people to

1047
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,000
listen to the interview obviously but he

1048
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,359
thinks it may be

1049
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,320
a byproduct of some sort of monitoring

1050
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,480
that might be going on again if it is

1051
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,119
russian or chinese spying for example or

1052
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,720
u.s spying let's lump them all in

1053
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,960
together that it's something that's

1054
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,119
coming off as part of something that's

1055
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,280
happening um and that's what's making

1056
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,480
people sick so maybe like an

1057
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,800
unintentional side effect yeah yeah and

1058
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440
potentially that's why the the latest

1059
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,440
report that came out i think was it cia

1060
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520
i can't remember said they didn't think

1061
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,440
it was a foreign adversary

1062
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,520
and he doesn't quite believe that is the

1063
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,720
case

1064
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,440
yeah we we had that cia report saying

1065
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,119
that they could explain the bulk of them

1066
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,320
and there were a few that could be a

1067
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,599
foreign adversary but they weren't

1068
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,520
willing to go that far and then we had a

1069
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,520
new u.s intelligence community report

1070
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,200
this week that

1071
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,880
the study found that pulsed

1072
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,640
electromagnetic energy particularly in

1073
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,280
the radio frequency range um could

1074
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,599
explain the characteristics and uh or

1075
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:49,040
some of the core characteristics the

1076
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,160
article says

1077
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,320
associated with havana syndrome i'd love

1078
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,000
to see those characteristics and how

1079
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,920
much they cross over with uh with some

1080
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,520
of the core characteristics of the sixth

1081
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,160
observable um cause like

1082
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,880
lou pointing out a while back that

1083
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,400
these things could be very different but

1084
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,079
have similar signatures

1085
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,760
and and i think science is getting to a

1086
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,520
point where we can kind of start to play

1087
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,040
with these things and it might be in the

1088
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,920
same area-ish you know uh non-ionizing

1089
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
radiation is a is a scary thing to play

1090
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,839
with and and

1091
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,839
it would yeah be better if we could get

1092
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,520
control of that and figure out what this

1093
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,480
is yeah and maybe that is the case that

1094
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,800
there are instances of havana syndrome

1095
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,040
related to like comb and others have

1096
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:31,280
said a side effect of being in close

1097
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,359
proximity to uaps ufos but also it could

1098
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,560
be a side effect of other processes and

1099
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,240
things that are happening from a

1100
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,400
intelligence gathering point of view or

1101
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:45,040
sophisticated weapons sensor systems

1102
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,560
whatever they may be

1103
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,079
that again are having similar side

1104
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,079
effects and causing causing these kind

1105
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,160
of strange strange things to happen like

1106
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,760
thomas winterton

1107
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,599
can you remember some of the well we

1108
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,440
were talking radar way back when we you

1109
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,200
know were first getting into the tic-tac

1110
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,359
conversation um and what those radars

1111
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,599
could pick up um i remember someone

1112
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,520
explaining that basically if you aimed

1113
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,480
the the radars and the arrays at a bird

1114
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,320
it would just cook it basically because

1115
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,000
of the energy being thrown at it so

1116
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,920
that's a really good example of an

1117
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,839
unintentional consequence of a

1118
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,680
technology that's perfectly reasonable

1119
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,160
to use you know the radar tracking um

1120
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,160
but yeah side effect is it fries the

1121
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,680
bird if you aim it

1122
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,920
and again those those waves carry on for

1123
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,599
however long and whatever distance it

1124
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,720
may be and

1125
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,760
yeah so

1126
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,359
interesting and it's interesting to see

1127
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,640
that's still being picked up and

1128
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,160
reported on so

1129
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,320
let's let's keep on top of that one

1130
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,440
uh dan your james webb space telescope

1131
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,240
uh update what's happening with the big

1132
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,480
mirror up there in the sky so the james

1133
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,200
webb is about a million miles away 1.5

1134
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,760
million kilometers for ufoku who aren't

1135
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,240
accustomed to miles um

1136
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,839
they are now doing the mirror alignments

1137
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,760
basically i don't know if you remember

1138
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,119
that when the hubble went up there was

1139
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,280
kind of a mess up um and the mirrors

1140
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,560
they they had to go up and fix the

1141
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:03,359
mirrors basically um this time instead

1142
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,079
of

1143
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,520
something potentially going wrong and

1144
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,520
then having to fly and fix it because

1145
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,280
it's a lot further than the moon and it

1146
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,920
would be hard to do um

1147
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,839
they made it so that all of those mirror

1148
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,359
sections are on servos and they can kind

1149
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
of flex and bend them as they need so

1150
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,520
what's happening now until kind of

1151
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,000
may-ish summer is they're just aligning

1152
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,000
all those mirrors so

1153
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,760
at the moment everything's out of focus

1154
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,119
they're still receiving you know this

1155
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,560
photons hitting the detectors there'll

1156
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,040
be data being generated but it's all

1157
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,960
going to kind of be like looking

1158
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,320
you know almost like if i take my

1159
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,680
glasses off and kind of start looking at

1160
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,480
things

1161
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,640
and they're getting the glasses on it um

1162
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,880
so so we'll see the first uh

1163
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,920
images by it should be about summerish

1164
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,760
um and you can actually go to the james

1165
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,240
webb uh data repository and download

1166
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,200
these images they just don't come in a

1167
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,040
format like a jpeg or something like

1168
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,480
that or work on your phone you've got to

1169
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,720
get special programs they are free

1170
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,720
but yeah have a gander if you're you're

1171
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,320
into that kind of thing

1172
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,920
yeah keep an eye on that stuff online

1173
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,359
folks like there's going to be nothing

1174
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,119
coming through in terms of of images

1175
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,359
till the summer i saw today on facebook

1176
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,760
someone reporting it was an image of

1177
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,640
jupiter and two of the moons that was

1178
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,520
filmed by cassini and one of the flybys

1179
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,599
and it was like a time lapse of images

1180
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,200
that were taken beautiful picture and

1181
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,880
someone was like here are the first

1182
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,440
images from the james webb telescope and

1183
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,520
it was like quite a few people quickly

1184
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,280
jumped on that saying nope that's not

1185
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,119
the case and to be honest i don't think

1186
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,480
that's what we're going to be getting

1187
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,319
from the james webb telescope anyway is

1188
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
it it's going to be looking

1189
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,359
a lot further out it's not a probe

1190
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,920
flying past planets it's a telescope

1191
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,680
sitting out in the void looking into

1192
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,359
deep deep deep space

1193
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,280
yeah and looking back in time pretty

1194
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,200
much yeah yeah and and with certain

1195
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,440
light as well uh i i don't know if

1196
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,720
people know this but when you see

1197
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,720
pictures of like venus and jupiter and

1198
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,160
things like that they're all

1199
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,480
artificially colored so

1200
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,640
venus people consider it gold it's not

1201
00:41:03,349 --> 00:40:59,760
gold it's like a white kind of marble um

1202
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,359
but the astronomers kind of

1203
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,359
they make it a bit more dramatic because

1204
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,880
venus is meant to be a hellscape so they

1205
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,640
make it look like a hellscape and it's

1206
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,160
true of all the planets in the solar

1207
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,079
system kind of accept ours i think but

1208
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,470
one of those little school setups

1209
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,920
doesn't it as well yeah yeah all the

1210
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,079
different colors yeah exactly easier to

1211
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,839
remember when they're like that but yeah

1212
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,680
it'll be like infrared ultraviolet light

1213
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,800
and things like that and then they pick

1214
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,800
the color hues based on it so

1215
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:29,119
yeah

1216
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,160
are we

1217
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,680
totally separate question dan this is

1218
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,200
one for i could ask you after about i'll

1219
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,640
ask it now because other people might be

1220
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,240
thinking the same thing it was only in

1221
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,440
the last couple of years i really

1222
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,960
realized that we don't really have any

1223
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,680
proper pictures as we know it of other

1224
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,079
planets or or things in space they're

1225
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,720
always either artist interpretations um

1226
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,280
cgi or like you say things that are kind

1227
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,720
of filled in

1228
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,680
yeah

1229
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,160
are there any actually good pictures of

1230
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,000
other planets that are accurate that we

1231
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,359
aren't filling in the details of

1232
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,560
ourselves

1233
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,040
you you can find them um they're just

1234
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,640
kind of buried in the archives because

1235
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,160
the more dramatically coloured ones

1236
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,319
catch on with the public's imagination

1237
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,400
um but they are out there and and there

1238
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,599
was an article a couple of weeks about

1239
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,880
where someone put a few of them together

1240
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,319
so i'll try and find that and we can put

1241
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,520
the link in the description so people

1242
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,800
can see what the planets really look

1243
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,800
like uh because yeah you you just kind

1244
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,480
of think wow maybe the earth is flat not

1245
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,119
really i'm kidding don't be mad at me

1246
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,160
no we know it is um but yeah no it's

1247
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,720
definitely not um and also i just want

1248
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,440
to add that the our friends at ufo

1249
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,319
identified dot co dot uk that's a ash

1250
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,960
and co and who put on the fabulous mini

1251
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
con in preston last year myself and

1252
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,560
graham render attended and they've got

1253
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,440
the uk ufo report up which was published

1254
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,839
on the first of february 2022 and it's

1255
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,440
our annual report looking at all the

1256
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:47,599
sightings data for reports made during

1257
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,119
2021 so check that out at ufo identified

1258
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,599
dot co dot uk and i think later in the

1259
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,079
year i'll be popping along to the third

1260
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,520
conference when it's announced so keep

1261
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,520
an eye on that one as well folks i think

1262
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:00,800
dan's going to make an effort to get to

1263
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,240
this one too yeah i imagine

1264
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,440
um yeah so absolutely

1265
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,680
um some then what's to come folks on the

1266
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,599
podcast so as we recall this it's the

1267
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,960
fourth of february

1268
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,160
and uh

1269
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,079
lots to do i've literally spent the day

1270
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,160
as dan knows doing podcast off all day

1271
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,440
took the day off work to do this

1272
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,319
non-stop um so available from today is

1273
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,359
uh on that's friday the 4th on patreon

1274
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,440
on apple premium or spotify premium

1275
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,119
that's the paid subscriptions not like

1276
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,040
you pay spotify but you you sign up for

1277
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,000
the 199 or 299 and paid subscription you

1278
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,920
can hear tim mcmillan's interview um

1279
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,839
over a week early that will be uploaded

1280
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,839
over a day or so in two parts because it

1281
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,480
was recorded in two parts and we'll be

1282
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,480
discussing with tim what happens during

1283
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,119
his quote-unquote downtime and which is

1284
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,280
a lot i can assure you um debrief

1285
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,800
article on chris mellon we go into that

1286
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,480
in more detail we talk about

1287
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,359
anti-neutrinos and baiting ufos and

1288
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,880
there's a whole lot more in there as

1289
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,560
well with a really really long deep

1290
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,400
conversation and the listener questions

1291
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,040
section was fantastic too um what any

1292
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,520
some more controversial questions that

1293
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,880
tim gave

1294
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,160
he answered everything but there was

1295
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,839
some stuff people were kind of really

1296
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,440
inquisitive about knowing in there as

1297
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,440
well so check that out folks this

1298
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,560
weekend also tom delong profile part 1.5

1299
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,720
will be available where we discuss your

1300
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,720
points thoughts and questions from our

1301
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,800
part one profile of tom delong and it

1302
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,079
certainly proved to be one of the most

1303
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,720
popular shows for a long time as well um

1304
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,520
big hit on on the youtube um let's see

1305
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,960
if that's just because lots of people

1306
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,319
still thought it was an interview with

1307
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,680
tom delong

1308
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,200
even though we said it wasn't and we

1309
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,720
called it a profile and everything else

1310
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,960
but yeah part two is still not an

1311
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,119
interview with tom delong um i'll give a

1312
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,280
quick update on how our interview with

1313
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,200
tom delong is going they are still not

1314
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,599
getting back to us um and they've also

1315
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,440
cancelled their tour now so tom's not

1316
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,599
even coming to the uk which on one hand

1317
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,440
may mean he has more time for interviews

1318
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,040
but on the other hand he's going to be

1319
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
on a different time zone to us and he

1320
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,839
might be a little bit less receptive to

1321
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,680
that yeah if you're listening tom it

1322
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,280
would still be good to have you on he's

1323
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,680
probably not listening mark travis can

1324
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,040
you tell tom to come on that would be

1325
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,000
great uh so part two part two where we

1326
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,119
discussed those early um years of ttsa

1327
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,760
as we knew it it's flame burned all too

1328
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,560
bright too quickly and but had a lot to

1329
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,240
accomplish in a very short time that'll

1330
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,400
be out as well on monday the 7th of

1331
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,319
february on the free feed john ramirez

1332
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,079
part 2 is out thank you to everyone

1333
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,760
who's checked out the interview and full

1334
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,160
already on the premium services and

1335
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,880
finally dan you are off to columbia on

1336
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,040
monday the 7th of feb you're meeting up

1337
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,280
with vinnie this sunday in brewdog and

1338
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,119
birmingham aren't you that's right yeah

1339
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,119
so vinnie's going to be in brewdog in

1340
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,839
birmingham from 1pm uh so you can meet

1341
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,359
up and and you know have a chat with

1342
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,280
vinnie i'll be coming along at about 5pm

1343
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,040
because i got a later bus

1344
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,680
but after that we go to a hotel haul up

1345
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,920
for the night and and yeah hopefully get

1346
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,440
an early night because we have 5 am

1347
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,720
flight

1348
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,800
but by monday evening i will be in

1349
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,040
colombia with ashley cowie and the team

1350
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,200
um and yeah i'll start sending you

1351
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,280
updates and about what's happening out

1352
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,319
there

1353
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,760
awesome well i look forward to those

1354
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,359
updates i look forward to kind of

1355
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catching up and seeing what happens

1356
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while you're out there there's a whole

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load of content already in the can and

1358
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dan and i are doing one last recording

1359
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tomorrow to make sure there's plenty to

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come out still while everyone's away

1361
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i've got interviews um lined up with

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professor simon holland

1363
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which i've announced and you can send

1364
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over questions already check out

1365
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professor simon holland's youtube

1366
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channel

1367
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to email the questions to ufo uapam

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gmail.com i know that's what dan's

1369
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looking forward to as well

1370
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and kevin randle were just working on

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securing a date and time on his new book

1372
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on levelland texas in the event of 1957

1373
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too that'll be pretty much it for

1374
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february we start to hit march at that

1375
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point and i will look to drop over

1376
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listener colin slots as well for the

1377
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next week or so well dan's away so if

1378
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you can email me with the subject

1379
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,599
listener colin that would be great a few

1380
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people have already fantastic i will try

1381
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and fit you in his best that

1382
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accommodates your time zone and mine

1383
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dan that's all for the breakdown so

1384
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until next time and well i guess i'll

1385
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see you when i get back from colombia uh

1386
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just before we finish out i just want to

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say thank you to everyone that donated

1388
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to the raffle over christmas lou and i

1389
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just finished out all of the calls with

1390
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people who you know either bid for them

1391
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or made such a big bid that lou wanted

1392
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to take time to call them um and there

1393
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,319
were some really productive

1394
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conversations and and some really great

1395
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,480
ideas from the people who entered the

1396
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raffle about the next uh fundraising

1397
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like this year so thank you thank you to

1398
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everyone who uh helped us raise twenty

1399
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,800
four thousand for charity and just keep

1400
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an eye out uh for news on on the next

1401
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,720
round of fundraising

1402
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but don't worry folks i'm not leaving

1403
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the country i'll still be here in the uk

1404
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i'll still be cold i'll still be working

1405
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and until next time speak to you soon

1406
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that is all for this week's show thank

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00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,119
you very much for listening please

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remember to leave the podcast to review

1409
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,839
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1410
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00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
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1413
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,760
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00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,240
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1416
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00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,200
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1419
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,280
and again folks as always keep looking

1420
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up you never know what you might see

1421
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[Music]

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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they thought this was noise they thought

1424
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[Music]

1425
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,230
and what's that

1426
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:01,589
[Music]

1427
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:26,020
what's that

1428
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[Music]

1429
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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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[Music]

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so